EDITED VERSION OF CHAT PANE FROM LUNCHTIME BYTE: Practices, resources and other animals: trends in the open educational landscape (20 March 2013) Paul Richardson 12:21 Hi Everyone. Can you let us know where are you from? what is your role? Belinda Caulfield (The College Ystrad Mynach) 12:21 Hi Everyone, I am from Ystrad Mynach College my role is ILT Developer and part of my job is to look at resources and support staff with IWB, Moodle and Meddwl (Mahara) :) Karen Deeside 12:22 Hi, I'm Karen, I am an IT Lecturer at Deeside College. We use Moodle as our VLE. Jin 12:23 Hello, I am Jin Tan, support learning technology at Cardiff University. we use Blackboard learn Christine Davies 12:36 Hello folks: Christine here, formerly of RSC Wales :) and UNi Glam, & currently teaching at the College of Medicine at Swansea. Interested both in using & developing OER Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 12:37 Geoff Constable, Higher Education, working on the CADARN Learning Portal (www.cadarn.ac.uk), wanting to learn more about Open Education. Hi folks. Steve Williams 12:38 Hello. I am Steve Williams from HEFCW. I am interested in the views of different people in the sector on OER. Pete - GLLM 12:45 Was it Bill G - the road ahead? Christine Davies 12:46 Not dystopian; very much a reality so long as Boradband connection is OK! Lis Parcell 12:47 the ones who haven't ticked anything - is there a reason for that I wonder? Lis Parcell 12:49 Jacquie Kelly will be saying a bit more about the OER Infokit later in the session www.opentapestry.com That's a link to the resource Paul's referred to. The OER Infokit is here https://openeducationalresources.pbworks.com 12:50 Pete - GLLM 12:50 We are back to learning objects / assest etc here! David Kernohan (JISC) 12:53 Really like the way we are using the slides not the chat to contribute... is this the "flipped classroom"? Thought: do we expect "resources" to impart learning to students or is that our job? Esther Barrett 12:54 @David one version of the flipped classroom anyway! @David - it's how we all use the resource maybe? Lis Parcell 12:55 @David K it depends what we mean by resources perhaps! A book for example can impart learning when the brain is engaged but not necessarily David Kernohan (JISC) 12:55 Indeed - @lis I wonder if the job of teachers is to turn "learning objects" into "learning experiences". Sue Burnett (University of Glamorgan) 1 12:56 sorry I have to leave you - hope I can catch up with any recording later Lis Parcell 12:56 @David yes I think you could say that. Others have a role too, eg librarians Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 12:56 Now known as "The M word" Catherine RSC Wales 12:57 @ Sue: we will send a link to the recording after the session. Pete - GLLM 12:57 Could you put the link in the chat box please Catherine RSC Wales 12:57 A recording of this session and resources from the session will added to our Moodle later today or tomorrow: http://bit.ly/LunchtimeBytes David Kernohan (JISC) 12:58 The image is taken from here: http://www.jisc.ac.uk/events/2012/07/webinarmooc.aspx - there's also a webinar on MOOCs you can listen to Christine Davies 12:58 :) Esther Barrett 12:58 lovely bookshelf Paul Lis Parcell 12:58 I recommend the link David K just put in the chat pane - very useful! Esther Barrett 12:59 Word of mouth is one way David Kernohan (JISC) 12:59 I use Jorum - it's lovely. Also creative commons image search on Flickr, Xpert and some sensible google searches. Jacqui Neale 13:00 Internal systems (scrutinised) v's Google David Kernohan (JISC) 13:00 Like esther I like to get recommendations - these probably have more weight than other means of discovery. Lis Parcell 13:00 Librarians/learning resources staff will teach students and staff how to develop search strategies suitable for their context - context is everything Christine Davies 13:00 If a narrow filed is involved, organisations relating to that field can be a gd source of resources (better than a generic resource like Jorum) Elaine Edwards (Coleg Sir Gar) 13:00 college moodle, jorum, lib collections, awarding body recommendaitons.. Jin 13:00 from interest groups/professional communities David Kernohan (JISC) 13:00 Wikipedia is good - range of links, and CC images/artefacts Plus wikipedia itself is creative commons. 13:00 Jin 13:00 search twitter and follow Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:02 Resources on JORUM: F.E. - 2960, H.E. - 14,378 - does anyone know of repository with more relevance to F.E.? David Kernohan (JISC) 13:02 @Jin great strategy - find communities of practice in your discipline Lis Parcell 13:02 @David mentioning wikipedia as a source used to induce sharp intakes of breath - I wonder if that's still the case? David Kernohan (JISC) 13:02 @Geoff is a resource ever specifically FE or HE? Lis Parcell 13:03 One of the main things info lit/dig lit involves is making the right mix of choices from some/all these possibilities. Some will be better in some contexts than others 13:03 David Kernohan (JISC) 13:03 @Geoff - you might be interested in these: http://www.excellencegateway.org.uk/node/18239 Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:03 @david - good Q! :-) Lis Parcell 13:03 www.jorum.ac.uk. Steve Williams 13:03 Wikipedia gives a good grounding and link to original documents. Just be weary using it as your reference point. David Kernohan (JISC) 13:04 @Steve - also if you spot errors you can edit them, rather than having to write to a publisher. @Paul it was September 2002. 13:04 Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:05 @david - thanks for link. Steve Williams 13:05 @David or add another reference Lis Parcell 13:05 www.open.edu/openlearn Christine Davies 13:05 Openlearn is vgd for specific things David Kernohan (JISC) 13:06 I often think that the release of resources is most effective when it is simplest. Make stuff, put in on the web, tell people about it! Christine Davies 13:07 I like that Paul! :) David Kernohan (JISC) 13:07 (the sharing model is an interesting policy quirk of the UK - wonder if I should do a "history of UK l&t enhancement policy in Universities" webinar sometime... it would be my specialist subject on mastermind) Lis Parcell 13:07 http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Main_Page David Kernohan (JISC) 13:08 You are looking at http://bit.ly/oerinfokit Bookmark it. Ani 13:08 yes Lis Parcell 13:09 Thanks for the handy link David we'll put this in our moodle area with the recording too David Kernohan (JISC) 13:10 (it very nearly is) Repositories are optional!! 13:10 (shhhh...) 13:10 Pete - GLLM 13:10 The web is just a big repository is it not? David Kernohan (JISC) 13:11 @pete don't let librarians hear you say that!! Christine Davies 13:11 A QA process needs to be implemented also, both for quality of resource, and its location/continuity. Many of the links in OER repositories are broken Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:11 Are there any templates for institutional policies e.g. covering legal aspects? David Kernohan (JISC) 13:11 @Christine - this is one of the arguments for self-maintained release.... lower overheads and more control Paul Richardson 13:11 @Christine Good point. there is a need to curate Christine Davies 13:12 I think that's why places like MIT are good David Kernohan (JISC) 13:12 @Geoff - no templates as such... The University of Leeds has a lovely example of a policy. Others incorporate open ideas into L&T or eLearning policies. Lis Parcell 13:12 Don't forget to preface your Qs with a Q so we can make sure we pick them up David Kernohan (JISC) 13:13 @geoff http://www.leeds.ac.uk/forstaff/info/125136/spotlight/1816/recycling_for_student_education_open_educational_resources Lis Parcell 13:13 http://www.jiscinfonet.ac.uk/ is the site Jacquie just mentioned Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:13 @david - good stuff - thanks. David Kernohan (JISC) 13:13 @geoff the Leeds example is an interesting one... recommends that staff take responsibility of releasing resources themselves in ways that suit them. Christine Davies 13:14 Q: what does Jorum, for example, currently do re. QA? Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:14 I think many insts must be grappling with these issues... Lis Parcell 13:14 yes 24 May We need you to tell us what your issues and challenges are - in May we'll do another webinar where we will show how the Infokit and other sources can help answer the questions. Jacqui Neale 13:14 thanks David Kernohan (JISC) 13:14 @geoff I think this is a more sustainable model than centralisation, but you balance that against the constant need to measure and justify everything which is current in HE management! Paul Richardson 13:14 @Jackquie Thanks! David Kernohan (JISC) 13:15 13th May is going to be a MOOCfest. I'll lead you through the strange and occasionally hilarious world of MOOC hype and MOOC fact. Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:15 questions: copyright, IPR, performance rights, resouring staff time and effort... Lis Parcell 13:16 @geoff that'll keep us busy :-) oops ignore the typo in www.jisc.ac.uk 13:16 David Kernohan (JISC) 13:16 question: open practices, integrating OER into existing workflows and processes. Shelley 13:16 @David -> @Geoff, personal responsibility sounds like a good approach Jacv 13:17 Maybe after taking a look at the infoKit, you may have questions for Lou on the 24 May Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:17 @lis you did ask! :-) Lis Parcell 13:17 just what I wanted ! I wonder to what extent people are talking about 'open' OER, MOOCs etc in their organisaton and what the main issues seem to be? 13:17 Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:17 off-topic sligghtly - who is going to OER13? David Kernohan (JISC) 13:18 Would love to hear the panel talk about the differences between national, institutional and personal OER initiatives. @Geoff - I'll be there (in a non-speaking and causing trouble role) 13:18 OER IPR SUPPORT! 13:19 Christine Davies 13:19 Q: who has responsibility for 'maintaining' a resource: the producer or the repository? David Kernohan (JISC) 13:19 @Christine - you. http://www.web2rights.com/OERIPRSupport/ Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:19 I am thinking of policies around OERs for institutions... David Kernohan (JISC) 13:20 I <3 Naomi Korn. (in a platonic sense, naturally) Christine Davies 13:20 @David ie producer? Is this the case for all repositories? Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:20 conscious of wheel re-invention... David Kernohan (JISC) 13:21 @Christine - depends how you define maintain. Most repositories will let you upload (or link to) a resource and keep it there. But if you want to update or move the resource, it's your responsibility. Pete - GLLM 13:21 I first came across Open Ed from Stephen Downes - This link might provide food for thought http://www.downes.ca/presentation/231 David Kernohan (JISC) 13:21 @Pete I do like Stephen Downes. Lis Parcell 13:21 https://openeducationalresources.pbworks.com/w/page/25308415/Legal%20Aspects%20of%20OER Pete - GLLM 13:21 A main barrier is staff reluctance to share Jacv 13:21 Stephen Downes always good value Belinda Caulfield (The College Ystrad Mynach) 13:21 Quality of the resource Christine Davies 13:22 Barrier to using resources: masses of broken links; time needed to find what you're looking for David Kernohan (JISC) 13:22 Current barrier for me is the perception that it is a "new" thing and requires "new" practices. Make. Share. We've been doing it since the middle ages! Jacqui Neale 13:22 Time to metatag Lis Parcell 13:22 Librarians have always loved to share - we stopped to some extent when VLEs came in and everythign got hidden behind logins Jacv 13:22 Are most academics willing to share their materials? This used to be an issue for me when I was lecturing and trying to encouraging sharing. Pete - GLLM 13:22 Is the UK LOM Core still the metadata standard for learning resources/objects? David Kernohan (JISC) 13:22 Other barriers: need to measure value of open release (via metrics etc) v. difficult with open licenses as resources become viral. Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:23 fear of ' fee paying students' thinking what they pay for is being lowered in value? (not explaining that very well) Lis Parcell 13:23 @Jacqui who should do the metadata - do you find academics like to do that? or should others do the job? Jin 13:23 who will check and make sure the quality and reliability of the open sources? Jacqui Neale 13:23 I think that although we have talked about this issue that it is still a major barrier in reusing exsiting material since people are generally overwhelmed in the first instance with the amount of info to browse/search David Kernohan (JISC) 13:23 @Pete - it still exists, but we didn't use it in UKOER - we had a very lightweight profile (name, title, inst, date and UKOER tag) @Jin educators who make the resources and use them with their class. If you release something incorrect it will reflect badly on you and your employer. 13:24 Pete - GLLM 13:24 Q - is it the learners who are using the OER for their own purposes or the teacher instead of their own materials? Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:24 Staff already working at full capacity - training/support for production of online materials Jacqui Neale 13:24 @liz, I think others should do it to ensure data integrity and quality Lis Parcell 13:25 http://www.jisc.ac.uk/developingdigitalliteracies David Kernohan (JISC) 13:25 Fee paying studens response to OER: the opening keynote at OER13 will be worth watching on this. Think it will be live streamed, if not watch for tweets. studenTs... sorry. #typo 13:25 Esther Barrett 13:25 I havent focussed on one! bear with me 13:25 - is it the learners who are using the OER for their own purposes or the teacher instead of their own materials? 13:26 from Pete 13:26 Pete - GLLM 13:26 I'm OK - just more time to think David Kernohan (JISC) 13:26 @Ester/@Pete - research has shown a bit of both. eg OER impact (Masterman/Wild, 2011) 13:27 Pete - GLLM 13:28 Great Catherine RSC Wales 13:28 http://bit.ly/LunchtimeBytes Christine Davies 13:28 Bye all! David Kernohan (JISC) 13:28 also Paul Bacsich research on Student attitutes to OER. Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:28 Some great links, ideas and thoughts today - many thanks. Pete - GLLM 13:28 See you in Notts next week? Shelley 13:28 Really useful, thanks very much David Kernohan (JISC) 13:28 See everyone at OER13 - come and find me & say hello. Geoff Constable (Aberystwyth University) 13:29 @david @pete - will look you up next week :-) Belinda Caulfield (The College Ystrad Mynach) 13:29 Thanks everyone, bye for now see you at the next webinar Catherine RSC Wales 13:30 http://bit.ly/RSCWalesevents Ani 13:30 Thanks Jacv 13:30 Bye all. David Kernohan (JISC) 13:30 thanks all Esther Barrett 13:30 Thanks Lis as well! Paul Richardson 13:30 Thanks everyone. Steve Williams 13:30 Thank you all Jacqui Neale 13:30 Thanks all Paul Richardson 13:31 Diolch yn fawr i bawb. Hwyl Shelley 13:31 Bye Liz. Jin 13:31 thank you. Esther Barrett 13:31 Thanks, bye... Pete - GLLM 13:31 thanks:) END